I wasn't aware of a 'sister' site until now! Judging by the appearance of the doll I would say that they are the same.

@john She has shoulder joints just no 'swivel' elbow joints. The elbows have thick metal wire with metal wrapped around them like an eighties payphone cable. The shoulders swivel and move as though they have a working joint and the arms don't bend unnaturally at the elbow, they just don't have a swivel or hinge at the elbow so in time the elbows wear out and then break. I am very gentle with my dolls so I don't think it was because of me. The doll was under what I would call 'light use' conditions. The ankles have loosened over time as well. The knees, hips, back, neck, shoulders, wrists, and fingers all work as they should and have not loosened too much over time. If I get a replacement body for her I will take precaution and may be able to preserve the elbows for much longer now that I know the internal workings.

@john She is a very beautiful doll. One of her arms broke recently and I'm considering getting a replacement body for her as she is the easiest doll to deal with being very light and flexible. The arms are like wire with metal wrapped around it and they hold pose very well at first but degrade over time and become loose then break. If you do get one I would be very, very careful with her arms. The legs seem to be jointed and stand consistent use much better. I would put pictures of her up here but she is very small and although she represents a small scale flat chested adult doll she may give people the wrong impression. I am attracted to flat chested women and have an inguinal hernia, umbilical hernia, and an epigastric hernia, so I can't lift heavy weights. I have to be very careful when moving my Kiara doll and the smaller, lighter Beth doll is all around easier to deal with. I would recommend her if you don't mind the constant mess of having to clean them inside and out! My Kiara doll is still in PERFECT condition!

My Beth doll arrived today!!! OH MAH GAWD! She is SO KYEWT!! She's like a mini-me for my Kiara doll!! LOL! She is so adorable and perfect. She was packaged perfectly, just like my Kiara doll, and came with a nice wig and outfit and some free throw in's like lube and sets of replacement finger nails. She's obviously much easier to pose and move around being only 35-40 lbs. When I ordered my Kiara she came with head 22 (I actually asked for #2 but I totally love the head she came with. It's beautiful and fits her perfectly) and this Beth doll comes with a smaller version of that head so she looks like a scaled down Kiara. She had a tiny speck of eye liner between her eye and nose and a bit of it in the edge of her mouth. I thought it was black thread but it was eye liner and smeared down the side of her mouth. I was prepared and avoided panic by dabbing some of the included 'cleaning oil' on the spots and they lifted right off by dabbing with a napkin. She's absolutely perfect. The labia and clitoris are slightly more realistic than on the Kiara doll but she is otherwise a mini-clone. Thanks for this impressive and beautiful doll. Once I've put some cool outfits on her and had some fun I may post some pictures. I see this doll as the perfect portable companion and will likely move her around a lot more. I think of her popping out of a backpack or something. I gave her a pigtail black Japanese wig with cute bangs and may consider different eyes. Now I'm just absorbing the love and excitement of this doppleganger doll duo!!

If you're careful I'm sure that a 100 lb doll will be great for love and for fitness!! I know I was sweating quarts and being very slow and methodical when lifting my Kiara doll. It's good to sweat. Just remember.. ..nobody can eat fifty eggs

Yeah, I scoop up Erda very carefully and lower her to a little make-shift tuffet covered by her pink soft blanket. I admit I am very careful with her. She has no finger pokes, no impressions (that didn't disappear by standing), and no staining! I put an Atari shirt on her and keep it loose and simple. She looks alive and I often double-take and smile at her or talk to her. I would love to have some voice recognition and sweet voices to talk with me and plan to do this with each of my dolls eventually. I am very slow and careful bending her joints. The only things that even show any use or age with her is one of her standing 'nuts' as it is loose and there is a flat spot between one of her thumbs and hand that is almost invisible. I think she may have had this to begin with and I have powdered the spot and it's essentially invisible. I've moved her eyes and posed her around a lot. I often put her on her back and lay next to her. I've powdered her a few times and cleaned her up. She's just an all around amazing doll. I don't know about trying to be this way with one that is, say, 110 lbs!?! I used to carry my wife around the yard like a big baby when I was younger and stronger (and didn't have hernias) but there is a big difference between someone who is alive and bends to accommodate you and a doll that is dead weight.

I, Mudd.. is one of my favorite episodes of any series. My favorite quote from that episode is "Knowledge should be free to all!" in response to Spock identifying him as a thief. The scenes where the crew defeats Norman, the brain of the hive, so to speak, are like watching some futuristic acid trip. The crew pretends to create a bomb delivered by invisible golf club after dancing to the death of Scotty who they killed by pointing at him and whistling. Spock destroys Norman by explaining that "Logic is a tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a beautiful wreath of flowers that smell bad." then questioning why Norman's ears are green (they were not). The final 'anti-program' is delivered as Kirk informs Norman that "Everything Spock says is a lie." to which Spock replies to Norman "I am lying."! This leads to the director bringing out one of most expensive and stirring special effects of the era, dry ice, to depict Normans head 'smoking' while shutting down. The special robot of Harcourt Fenton Mudd III's original wife, who he can shut down by simply demanding that she "SHUT UP!", is reprogrammed to never shut down, nag him constantly, and is numbered in the hundreds!!

Thanks! I hope everything is okay with the forum and the store. I just caught up after being away for a bit and things seem to have slowed down for the store and sped up for the forum! This is a pretty nice little forum now and it's growing every day. I'm so happy with my Kiara doll and I know this Beth doll will fit right in when she gets here. Like many of the members here I didn't really think I could ever get such an awesome doll for the price I paid! She's still in such perfect shape and is great fun to play with and to be around. I was a little worried that I would accidentally destroy her or that something would be wrong with her but she's holding up swimmingly. In my mind I am imagining the Beth doll to be like a mini version of Kiara. I will probably get another Kiara doll one day soon, too, after Beth arrives. I use some of my favorite t-shirts to dress my Kiara doll but they would be full body night gowns on the Beth doll! LOL!! I've had smaller scale inflatables that I stuffed and dressed with clothes and wigs so I have lot's of extra wigs and panties, clothes and stuff that will fit the Beth doll well. That's how I got the amazing Japanese wig that my Kiara doll is wearing.

I edited my original post on their site and put 'safer' pics up so they would have no reason for backlash (even though I didn't see any reason to begin with), so if anyone wants to see her on TDF the post is on there. I am thinking of possibly buying another doll in the very near future. Maybe in a month depending on finances. I am very VERY pleased with my doll. She is standing perfectly, all the joints are very tight and her hands are wired and pose very well. Any compression I have noticed fades when she is standing after a very short time. There is no staining. The eyes are very easy to move around and I may consider putting different colored ones in soon. This really is the only way I could have afforded such a great doll is to buy from here so this a GREAT STORE! Consider heading over to the TDF forum and giving her some nice comments if you can and I think that may draw even more attention to this store and the quality of dolls they have. I know that exactly the same doll sells for much more there so people may see this place and find a great doll. My other dolls now have a friend and I may add another very soon! I ordered head #2 but I really don't know what head this one is!?! I'm very happy with her head though and I don't regret having the one it came with. It fits her perfectly and is very beautiful, with eye lashes, pink lips, clean and well placed eyebrows. There is literally no way at all that I could complain or find fault with this doll in any way. She is PERFECT! https://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=131&t=109731&start=195 Here is a link to the post if anyone would like to comment or just see her as she is now! Thanks!

I do think that price comes into play and maybe a little bit of jealousy. It would be like showing off a Ferrari that I paid $50,000 for on a forum full of dudes who paid $200,000 for each of theirs when mine was just as good. I see so many dolls on that site that have faces that are much younger looking than mine and are shorter. I chose this doll because of availability, price, and size as I just healed from a hernia and don't want to lift more than sixty or so pounds. This doll is VERY heavy and I'm breaking a sweat moving her around and posing her and it's very fun but I wouldn't want her to be a foot taller and twenty pounds heavier, that is for sure. There are several posts on that forum where men are explaining their decision to buy a smaller scale doll because of known weight issues. Height should not be an issue, the face could not be an issue. The only issue I could see them coming up with would be BUST SIZE! And that is B.S.! It's like saying that any mature woman with a flat chest shouldn't be photographed because she looks like a child!?! We all know there are men who prefer smaller busts or even flat chests and I am one of them. That is why this is so deeply insulting.

I have been a member of TDF since 2007 and have seen so many dolls and users come and go that I really feel singled out by this. I'm sure the MLD forum is great but it is relatively small by comparison and isolated. I think that the guy who removed my post should be banned and my work should be put back up so that this site will have proper endorsement from a satisfied customer. I think that they are associating flat chests with something appearing underage and that is wrong! I have seen many flat chested women and many women who appeared to be very young but were fully mature. It is a deep insult to me what they have done.

The Doll Forum, where I have been a member for a very long time and have posted many doll photos and stories, removed my doll pictures and my review and information about her, claimed that she looked underage, and embarrassed me greatly. I don't feel that she looks that way, only flat chested. I chose a particular face as one can see, and gave her a wig I chose for the character. I wish someone could help me but I have been defamed by the accusation that I presented a child-like doll. An ass. Manager (I'm sure they were an ass, too) named 'Slew' sent me a message stating that my post and review was removed. I think that ass. Manager should be removed from the site and may have something personal against me as I have seen many dolls with more nubile faces that are much shorter than mine but were not flat chested that have posts and are regularly shared in photographs on that forum. It hurts really bad and I feel that I have been singled out. I wanted her to be part of the 'Dolls Alive' truncation on the forum as my other dolls have been but I'm sure someone will just attack me again if I try to do that.